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		<title>By: Lentzie</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>Lentzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fundamental nuttiness of the healthcare industry
compared to any other is in full glory here.  The
economics, on all sides (patient/payer/provider) have
been so yanked with that nothing makes sense anymore. 
The AMC issue just highlights this…

Explain to me why it is that the bigger the delivery
system gets, the more they can extract from the
payers?  Yet the bigger the payer, the more they have
to pay (yes, this is true)?  I'll bet BCBSMA isn't
paying much lower (if at all) rates to Partners
than HPHC or Tufts.  That's the equivalent of a
product supplier dictating to Wal-Mart what price they
should get.  If a payer's too small, the provider
won't negotiate, and if they're too big, well, then you
might put the hospital out of business (hey hospitals,
you could try and actually innovate and compete, just
like every other industry).  Where oh where did the
basic principles of capitalism run off to when it
comes to healthcare? (don’t answer that – the payers
are a victim of their own system – I know that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fundamental nuttiness of the healthcare industry<br />
compared to any other is in full glory here.  The<br />
economics, on all sides (patient/payer/provider) have<br />
been so yanked with that nothing makes sense anymore.<br />
The AMC issue just highlights this…</p>
<p>Explain to me why it is that the bigger the delivery<br />
system gets, the more they can extract from the<br />
payers?  Yet the bigger the payer, the more they have<br />
to pay (yes, this is true)?  I&#8217;ll bet BCBSMA isn&#8217;t<br />
paying much lower (if at all) rates to Partners<br />
than HPHC or Tufts.  That&#8217;s the equivalent of a<br />
product supplier dictating to Wal-Mart what price they<br />
should get.  If a payer&#8217;s too small, the provider<br />
won&#8217;t negotiate, and if they&#8217;re too big, well, then you<br />
might put the hospital out of business (hey hospitals,<br />
you could try and actually innovate and compete, just<br />
like every other industry).  Where oh where did the<br />
basic principles of capitalism run off to when it<br />
comes to healthcare? (don’t answer that – the payers<br />
are a victim of their own system – I know that)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Heyman</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Heyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do people know that in addition to getting paid higher fees, practices from the big networks get extra payments (sometimes double) from insurers?  They receive a "facility fee" that they bill as well to the uninsured and those with HSA's.  That's an overhead fee they can bill that no independent practitioner can bill.  So the guy in my office building right next door to my practice who is part of Lahey (for example) bills and gets paid about double what I do for the very same service in the very same building!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people know that in addition to getting paid higher fees, practices from the big networks get extra payments (sometimes double) from insurers?  They receive a &#8220;facility fee&#8221; that they bill as well to the uninsured and those with HSA&#8217;s.  That&#8217;s an overhead fee they can bill that no independent practitioner can bill.  So the guy in my office building right next door to my practice who is part of Lahey (for example) bills and gets paid about double what I do for the very same service in the very same building!</p>
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		<title>By: A Healthy Blog &#187; Hospital Competition and the Price of Healthcare</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>A Healthy Blog &#187; Hospital Competition and the Price of Healthcare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it was Charlie Baker in his blog (click here ) talking frankly about the difficulties in this market dealing with the seemingly insatiable desire [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it was Charlie Baker in his blog (click here ) talking frankly about the difficulties in this market dealing with the seemingly insatiable desire [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!  Without anesthesia!  Seems a bit harsh.  Please- expound a bit on the death spiral.  While I'm obviously familiar with the term, I'm not sure I understand the context.  Was this an individual policy?  Group policy?  I'd like to comment on the spiral issue, but need more information to do so intelligently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!  Without anesthesia!  Seems a bit harsh.  Please- expound a bit on the death spiral.  While I&#8217;m obviously familiar with the term, I&#8217;m not sure I understand the context.  Was this an individual policy?  Group policy?  I&#8217;d like to comment on the spiral issue, but need more information to do so intelligently.</p>
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		<title>By: br (cr responding)</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>br (cr responding)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We like the HSA well, having participated in an MSA originally since 1997 and managing it ourselves.  It was almost derailed recently when an example of the "death spiral" policy activity by our insurance company was discovered.  Fortunately that problem has been mitigated - at least for now.  We are able to cover approximately 50% of our maximum yearly out-of -pocket deductible with the tax free earnings of the HSA assuming a 10-12% APR market return.

I believe that the "death spiral" health insurance policy practice should be outlawed and any who practice it should be drawn and quartered (without anesthesia).  It is an inherently dishonest mechanism of business and guarantees those who develop health care needs are cast aside when they most need insurance, and the insurance company skates free with most of the previously paid premiums!  From the insurance industry's standpoint the "death spiral" method of writing health insurance is as close to legalized extortion as one can get without visiting the inside of Leavenworth.  Great work if you can get it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We like the HSA well, having participated in an MSA originally since 1997 and managing it ourselves.  It was almost derailed recently when an example of the &#8220;death spiral&#8221; policy activity by our insurance company was discovered.  Fortunately that problem has been mitigated - at least for now.  We are able to cover approximately 50% of our maximum yearly out-of -pocket deductible with the tax free earnings of the HSA assuming a 10-12% APR market return.</p>
<p>I believe that the &#8220;death spiral&#8221; health insurance policy practice should be outlawed and any who practice it should be drawn and quartered (without anesthesia).  It is an inherently dishonest mechanism of business and guarantees those who develop health care needs are cast aside when they most need insurance, and the insurance company skates free with most of the previously paid premiums!  From the insurance industry&#8217;s standpoint the &#8220;death spiral&#8221; method of writing health insurance is as close to legalized extortion as one can get without visiting the inside of Leavenworth.  Great work if you can get it!</p>
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		<title>By: br</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>br</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie;

I will let my husband, cr, respond to your query about how we came to an HSA and how we like it. He was more involved in the details of this decision. We are both retired physicians below Medicare age, for background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie;</p>
<p>I will let my husband, cr, respond to your query about how we came to an HSA and how we like it. He was more involved in the details of this decision. We are both retired physicians below Medicare age, for background.</p>
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		<title>By: sg</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie - Just curious, who is sitting on the MA Health Care Quality and Cost Council and who decided on these folks? One of the things that has worried me about the entire new MA healthcare law is that there does not seem to be as much public discussion about who is making decisions that are changing the direction of healthcare in Mass and who stands to benefit financially? We all know that the large and politically well connected "free care" hospitals have financial guarantees to make them whole and Partners signed off after getting large Medicaid rate increases. This is all public money but I really don't think that the public has any idea of these "back room" deals and the amount of money involved to get this bill into law. This new council could be very influential and to have credibility it should be as open and public as possible. I am glad to see that they had the wisdom to select a person like yourself who is clearly interested in the big picture the role healthcare plays in the health and economy of our state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie - Just curious, who is sitting on the MA Health Care Quality and Cost Council and who decided on these folks? One of the things that has worried me about the entire new MA healthcare law is that there does not seem to be as much public discussion about who is making decisions that are changing the direction of healthcare in Mass and who stands to benefit financially? We all know that the large and politically well connected &#8220;free care&#8221; hospitals have financial guarantees to make them whole and Partners signed off after getting large Medicaid rate increases. This is all public money but I really don&#8217;t think that the public has any idea of these &#8220;back room&#8221; deals and the amount of money involved to get this bill into law. This new council could be very influential and to have credibility it should be as open and public as possible. I am glad to see that they had the wisdom to select a person like yourself who is clearly interested in the big picture the role healthcare plays in the health and economy of our state.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iHealthBeat article (no idea how good these folks are as an info source but thought this was timely):
"The Opacity of Health Care Transparency Efforts"

http://www.ihealthbeat.org/articles/2007/6/4/The-Opacity-of-Health-Care-Transparency-Efforts.aspx?ps=1&#38;authorid=1571

And to (gently) continue pulling legs re: following celebrities for healthcare...br's right in that EMass residents face a different (lessened) burden of choice around Boston for excellent healthcare.  But the public, in infinite wisdom and impressionability, still hears the bits that are newsworthy (maybe Ben Affleck researched the dickens out of MAH first?).  I can query charges/costs for all area hospitals, compare national benchmarks, check HEDIS scores, and research many dickens…or I read that Doug Mientkiewicz went to the MGH.  The Quality and Cost Council shows the Baptist (state FY04) had higher than average costs for hip fracture but I also know that that's where the Celtics go, or that BIDMC is the Sox's hospital, or that whatever performer went to MEEI…transparency certainly has its work cut out for it.

Ian M mentions marketing and I can't help but wonder the implications as I watch our fiscal allocations shift…can anyone say Pharm?

As far as HSAs are concerned, I believe they're great on paper…reduce inefficiencies by not fully sparing consumers the marginal cost of their marginal actions, but maybe limited in application (borne out by utilization rates?).  Consumers purchase insurance for the peace of mind, and HSAs don't necessarily provide this ("use it or lose it").  I don't know that I could sell my peace of mind for a (pittance of a) tax shelter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iHealthBeat article (no idea how good these folks are as an info source but thought this was timely):<br />
&#8220;The Opacity of Health Care Transparency Efforts&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ihealthbeat.org/articles/2007/6/4/The-Opacity-of-Health-Care-Transparency-Efforts.aspx?ps=1&amp;authorid=1571" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ihealthbeat.org/articles/2007/6/4/The-Opacity-of-Health-Care-Transparency-Efforts.aspx?ps=1&amp;authorid=1571</a></p>
<p>And to (gently) continue pulling legs re: following celebrities for healthcare&#8230;br&#8217;s right in that EMass residents face a different (lessened) burden of choice around Boston for excellent healthcare.  But the public, in infinite wisdom and impressionability, still hears the bits that are newsworthy (maybe Ben Affleck researched the dickens out of MAH first?).  I can query charges/costs for all area hospitals, compare national benchmarks, check HEDIS scores, and research many dickens…or I read that Doug Mientkiewicz went to the MGH.  The Quality and Cost Council shows the Baptist (state FY04) had higher than average costs for hip fracture but I also know that that&#8217;s where the Celtics go, or that BIDMC is the Sox&#8217;s hospital, or that whatever performer went to MEEI…transparency certainly has its work cut out for it.</p>
<p>Ian M mentions marketing and I can&#8217;t help but wonder the implications as I watch our fiscal allocations shift…can anyone say Pharm?</p>
<p>As far as HSAs are concerned, I believe they&#8217;re great on paper…reduce inefficiencies by not fully sparing consumers the marginal cost of their marginal actions, but maybe limited in application (borne out by utilization rates?).  Consumers purchase insurance for the peace of mind, and HSAs don&#8217;t necessarily provide this (&#8221;use it or lose it&#8221;).  I don&#8217;t know that I could sell my peace of mind for a (pittance of a) tax shelter.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>br - tell me/us about how you ended up with an HSA plan, and how you feel about it so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>br - tell me/us about how you ended up with an HSA plan, and how you feel about it so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: br</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/health-care-costs/academic-medicine/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>br</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ac: People don't care about this  stuff because they don't have to pay for it and, it seems, because Boston is loaded with good hospitals. (I don't live there).  You can bet that I, who have an HSA with $6000 deductible, research the dickens out of places before I choose.  The one advantage of having an HSA is you don't have to go where your provider "participates". I recently used this advantage to go to a place where I, a pathologist, thought the pathologists were better instead, of the local hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ac: People don&#8217;t care about this  stuff because they don&#8217;t have to pay for it and, it seems, because Boston is loaded with good hospitals. (I don&#8217;t live there).  You can bet that I, who have an HSA with $6000 deductible, research the dickens out of places before I choose.  The one advantage of having an HSA is you don&#8217;t have to go where your provider &#8220;participates&#8221;. I recently used this advantage to go to a place where I, a pathologist, thought the pathologists were better instead, of the local hospital.</p>
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