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		<title>By: Luke Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To what extent do medical malpractice and product liability premiums drive up the costs of healthcare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To what extent do medical malpractice and product liability premiums drive up the costs of healthcare?</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generic medications are a great way to keep your prescription drug costs down.   I’ve seen ads on TV for Caduet. It has two ingredients.  One is Amlodipine and the other is Atorvastatin.  With my RxDrugCard I can get 30 tablets of Amlodipine for $9 and 30 tablets of Simvastatin for $9.  I’ll bet they are charging more than $18 for this new drug!  The unthinking public is going to pressure their doctors into giving them something just because it’s new, when something old or generic would do the job for cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generic medications are a great way to keep your prescription drug costs down.   I’ve seen ads on TV for Caduet. It has two ingredients.  One is Amlodipine and the other is Atorvastatin.  With my RxDrugCard I can get 30 tablets of Amlodipine for $9 and 30 tablets of Simvastatin for $9.  I’ll bet they are charging more than $18 for this new drug!  The unthinking public is going to pressure their doctors into giving them something just because it’s new, when something old or generic would do the job for cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the solution to the rising costs in health care is to take less medication for illness. Today doctors will prescribe medications to customers for even the common cold that will go away in a day or two. The less medications a person is taking the less money will be spent. Prescription drugs have such a wide range of side effects that other prescription drugs are needed to counter act the side effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the solution to the rising costs in health care is to take less medication for illness. Today doctors will prescribe medications to customers for even the common cold that will go away in a day or two. The less medications a person is taking the less money will be spent. Prescription drugs have such a wide range of side effects that other prescription drugs are needed to counter act the side effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/prescription-drugs/drugs-not-the-cost-problem/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Randell hits on a very interesting phenomenon in health care cost and contracting.  The short hand version of his question might be more like, "So - if you the health plan need to say 'yes' to every hospital and provider group you engage in contract discussions with - how are you supposed to hold down health care costs?"  I ask myself this question all the time, and it's a hard one to answer.

Generally speaking, employers - and brokers - want health plans to provide their clients and employees with access to a full suite of participating physicians and hospitals, which makes it remarkably difficult for any health plan in this region to simply say "no" if the plan believes the payment rates being demanded by the provider are too high.  This question was tested pretty thoroughly in 2000, when Tufts Health Plan and Partners HealthCare went toe to toe over what Tufts was willing to pay Partners.  In the end, the employer community told Tufts that even though only ten percent of Tufts' members used Partners' hospitals and physicians, 100% of Tufts' employer accounts and their employees wanted in network access available to those facilities, and they better sign a contract with them.  It was a watershed moment, and the message has remained pretty constant ever since.  The plans in MA have responded, and generally speaking, the statewide carriers - HPHC, Tufts and BC/BS of MA - have all major providers in their networks.

There are some exceptions.  Harvard Pilgrim sells a product called "Granite State" in NH that features NH hospitals and Massachusetts community hospitals, and requires a higher member co-pay to go to a teaching hospital in Massachusetts.  Partners HealthCare decided not to participate in this product and the plan is about 5-8 percent cheaper than our other all access offerings in New Hampshire.  Despite the higher co-pay to go to AMC's, and the total absence of Partners, a lot of folks in NH have signed up for the plan over the past few years, with no issues or problems around care and care delivery.

As the MA Connector rolls out individual plans for people this summer that have limited provicer networks, it will be interesting to see if people sign up for coverage that has lower out of pocket costs, lower premiums, but limited provider networks - of if they choose the broad network, and the higher premium and higher out of pocket costs that come with it.  Stay tuned!

Glan asks about Wellpoint's plan to compensate staff on the health of their members.  Since I don't know the details of the program - and the press release gave precious few of those - it's hard to tell what's really on the line here - but I think the notion of saying to health plan executives and staff that the health of our members is our business is a good one, and putting money on the table to incent people to pay attention to it is a good move.  Again, it's hard to draw too many conclusions from this, but it's an interesting step in an unusual direction.  I would add that my compensation - along with the compensation of most senior managers at HPHC - is affected by the plan's performance each year on HEDIS - which is a national dataset concerning the quality of the care provided to HPHC memberes - and on CAHPS - which measures member satisfaction with HPHC.  If we don't finish in the 90th percentile on both of these measures during the year, then I - and others - get dinged on my - and our - pay.

Barbara asks a good question about the consumer/patient.  What's in it for them, and whatever happened to prevention and education?  My next post will be about this - and will, hopefully - address some of Barbara's questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Randell hits on a very interesting phenomenon in health care cost and contracting.  The short hand version of his question might be more like, &#8220;So - if you the health plan need to say &#8216;yes&#8217; to every hospital and provider group you engage in contract discussions with - how are you supposed to hold down health care costs?&#8221;  I ask myself this question all the time, and it&#8217;s a hard one to answer.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, employers - and brokers - want health plans to provide their clients and employees with access to a full suite of participating physicians and hospitals, which makes it remarkably difficult for any health plan in this region to simply say &#8220;no&#8221; if the plan believes the payment rates being demanded by the provider are too high.  This question was tested pretty thoroughly in 2000, when Tufts Health Plan and Partners HealthCare went toe to toe over what Tufts was willing to pay Partners.  In the end, the employer community told Tufts that even though only ten percent of Tufts&#8217; members used Partners&#8217; hospitals and physicians, 100% of Tufts&#8217; employer accounts and their employees wanted in network access available to those facilities, and they better sign a contract with them.  It was a watershed moment, and the message has remained pretty constant ever since.  The plans in MA have responded, and generally speaking, the statewide carriers - HPHC, Tufts and BC/BS of MA - have all major providers in their networks.</p>
<p>There are some exceptions.  Harvard Pilgrim sells a product called &#8220;Granite State&#8221; in NH that features NH hospitals and Massachusetts community hospitals, and requires a higher member co-pay to go to a teaching hospital in Massachusetts.  Partners HealthCare decided not to participate in this product and the plan is about 5-8 percent cheaper than our other all access offerings in New Hampshire.  Despite the higher co-pay to go to AMC&#8217;s, and the total absence of Partners, a lot of folks in NH have signed up for the plan over the past few years, with no issues or problems around care and care delivery.</p>
<p>As the MA Connector rolls out individual plans for people this summer that have limited provicer networks, it will be interesting to see if people sign up for coverage that has lower out of pocket costs, lower premiums, but limited provider networks - of if they choose the broad network, and the higher premium and higher out of pocket costs that come with it.  Stay tuned!</p>
<p>Glan asks about Wellpoint&#8217;s plan to compensate staff on the health of their members.  Since I don&#8217;t know the details of the program - and the press release gave precious few of those - it&#8217;s hard to tell what&#8217;s really on the line here - but I think the notion of saying to health plan executives and staff that the health of our members is our business is a good one, and putting money on the table to incent people to pay attention to it is a good move.  Again, it&#8217;s hard to draw too many conclusions from this, but it&#8217;s an interesting step in an unusual direction.  I would add that my compensation - along with the compensation of most senior managers at HPHC - is affected by the plan&#8217;s performance each year on HEDIS - which is a national dataset concerning the quality of the care provided to HPHC memberes - and on CAHPS - which measures member satisfaction with HPHC.  If we don&#8217;t finish in the 90th percentile on both of these measures during the year, then I - and others - get dinged on my - and our - pay.</p>
<p>Barbara asks a good question about the consumer/patient.  What&#8217;s in it for them, and whatever happened to prevention and education?  My next post will be about this - and will, hopefully - address some of Barbara&#8217;s questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am enjoying this discussion immensely.  

I think on the issue of prevention and patient education, Harvard Pilgrim does a lot of these different things to help to control costs.

I don't know the exact cost cuts of those kinds of initiatives, but it is an intregal part of how the Care Management department at the company operates.

I agree that helping to educate a consumer about things such as when they should be getting preventative screenings, as well as sending reminders about them are very important.  If we can help to have a healthier consumer, in the end it can only assist in making health better, and thus helps pass on the cost savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying this discussion immensely.  </p>
<p>I think on the issue of prevention and patient education, Harvard Pilgrim does a lot of these different things to help to control costs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the exact cost cuts of those kinds of initiatives, but it is an intregal part of how the Care Management department at the company operates.</p>
<p>I agree that helping to educate a consumer about things such as when they should be getting preventative screenings, as well as sending reminders about them are very important.  If we can help to have a healthier consumer, in the end it can only assist in making health better, and thus helps pass on the cost savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Kivowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Kivowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two elements that, surprisingly, haven't been emphasized in this cost discussion are prevention and patient education (not about insurance, but about health maintenance).  Of course there would be value in focusing on these areas, but do you think there would also be bottom line cost benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two elements that, surprisingly, haven&#8217;t been emphasized in this cost discussion are prevention and patient education (not about insurance, but about health maintenance).  Of course there would be value in focusing on these areas, but do you think there would also be bottom line cost benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.letstalkhealthcare.org/prescription-drugs/drugs-not-the-cost-problem/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you comment on the recent announcement by Wellpoint (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=130104&#38;p=irol-newsArticle_general&#38;t=Regular&#38;id=981192&#38;) that a portion of their employees' incentive income will now be tied to improvements in the "member health index" score which measures the quality of care the members receive. Do you think this will be effective in improving care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you comment on the recent announcement by Wellpoint (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=130104&amp;p=irol-newsArticle_general&amp;t=Regular&amp;id=981192&amp;) that a portion of their employees&#8217; incentive income will now be tied to improvements in the &#8220;member health index&#8221; score which measures the quality of care the members receive. Do you think this will be effective in improving care?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Randell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Randell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie:

I am a broker in Worcester, love the blog.    Very interesting to see the break -out and it shows that the tiering of prescriptions has at least slowed the growth in comparison to other expenses.

The problem as I see it is that if every doctor and every hospital is in every network, how exactly are we creating competition.    If hospital and doctor costs are going up to fast, then an HMO has to make a decision whether or not they want to keep them in their network.

At first this will cause problems if you were to drop a hospital or doctor group, but if it helps lower the costs to provide health insurance groups and brokers will understand.   

Bill Randell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie:</p>
<p>I am a broker in Worcester, love the blog.    Very interesting to see the break -out and it shows that the tiering of prescriptions has at least slowed the growth in comparison to other expenses.</p>
<p>The problem as I see it is that if every doctor and every hospital is in every network, how exactly are we creating competition.    If hospital and doctor costs are going up to fast, then an HMO has to make a decision whether or not they want to keep them in their network.</p>
<p>At first this will cause problems if you were to drop a hospital or doctor group, but if it helps lower the costs to provide health insurance groups and brokers will understand.   </p>
<p>Bill Randell</p>
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		<title>By: Peter_Dorinzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter_Dorinzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfect work. Great site. Add more pictures. It'll make your site more attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect work. Great site. Add more pictures. It&#8217;ll make your site more attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry - very good question.  I would guess that somewhere between 50-60 percent of health care costs are labor costs.  But I'm also presuming that as day surgeries, new drugs, and less invasive technologies have made treatment a bit less intrusive than it used to be, that we spend a greater share on drugs, devices and supplies than we used to.  In other words, labor's still a big share of  the total, but it's probably a smaller share than it used to be.

As we age, we'll use more health care, and most analysts believe that this increase in demand will create personnel shortages in the nursing and trained technician fields.  That's likely to be exacerbated by the difficulty of managing any 24/7 operation - like a hospital or a nursing home - in an economy that offers lots of other choices to people who might want to work a less demanding day.  In fact, I think most hospital leaders would say that shortages and shift issues in 24/7 institutions have already created pressure on labor costs for key trained positions, and that that trend is likely to continue going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry - very good question.  I would guess that somewhere between 50-60 percent of health care costs are labor costs.  But I&#8217;m also presuming that as day surgeries, new drugs, and less invasive technologies have made treatment a bit less intrusive than it used to be, that we spend a greater share on drugs, devices and supplies than we used to.  In other words, labor&#8217;s still a big share of  the total, but it&#8217;s probably a smaller share than it used to be.</p>
<p>As we age, we&#8217;ll use more health care, and most analysts believe that this increase in demand will create personnel shortages in the nursing and trained technician fields.  That&#8217;s likely to be exacerbated by the difficulty of managing any 24/7 operation - like a hospital or a nursing home - in an economy that offers lots of other choices to people who might want to work a less demanding day.  In fact, I think most hospital leaders would say that shortages and shift issues in 24/7 institutions have already created pressure on labor costs for key trained positions, and that that trend is likely to continue going forward.</p>
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